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The verdict is in; I was up entirely too late last night.
The Baltic birch will be staying. Lighter is proving to be better in a very consistent way. Again, just more musical detail (less loss of musical information) resulting in more engagement, more enjoyment. I can't wait for tonight's listening session.
I was really amazed at the improvement DSing. The music was just bigger with more musical detail filling in the spaces. Kind of like what I hear with the LP12.
The Baltic birch will be staying. Lighter is proving to be better in a very consistent way. Again, just more musical detail (less loss of musical information) resulting in more engagement, more enjoyment. I can't wait for tonight's listening session.
I was really amazed at the improvement DSing. The music was just bigger with more musical detail filling in the spaces. Kind of like what I hear with the LP12.
I'm liking it more now that I've heard it perform. The open design (cross members missing) did cause me concern as to rigidity. No more concerns now as it is completely rigid. Omitting the cross members reduced the weight, which helps. I didn't bother weighing and comparing to the AudioTech, but the NOKTable did feel lighter.
i prefer the original Audiotech board with the Lp12 on it. For me it is more musical than the Baltic birch one.The verdict is in; I was up entirely too late last night.
The Baltic birch will be staying. Lighter is proving to be better in a very consistent way. Again, just more musical detail (less loss of musical information) resulting in more engagement, more enjoyment. I can't wait for tonight's listening session.
I was really amazed at the improvement DSing. The music was just bigger with more musical detail filling in the spaces. Kind of like what I hear with the LP12.
The verdict is in; I was up entirely too late last night.
The Baltic birch will be staying. Lighter is proving to be better in a very consistent way. Again, just more musical detail (less loss of musical information) resulting in more engagement, more enjoyment. I can't wait for tonight's listening session.
I was really amazed at the improvement DSing. The music was just bigger with more musical detail filling in the spaces. Kind of like what I hear with the LP12.
If your Baltic birch plywood is of the 16 ply variety, please feel free to send it to me for testing.
Yes it is, but now it has a new home under my MDSM/2 in my livingroom. There’s only a small Linn with 109. It definitely makes a difference. 😉If your Baltic birch plywood is of the 16 ply variety, please feel free to send it to me for testing.
Excellent!
At this point, I think the 16 ply does have a chance of being better than the 7 ply stuff I have, but I don't think the difference would be worth the trouble.
I did try going lighter and more rigid with a friend's MDSM. It did make a nice noticeable difference. Actually, there is a photo here of it on the Lack stand.
I've been listening to music all day, and am looking forward to a wonderful LP listening session this evening. To me, this is the true test of how a system is performing.
I think it would...At this point, I think the 16 ply does have a chance of being better than the 7 ply stuff I have, but I don't think the difference would be worth the trouble.
You said it yourself: "Lighter is proving to be better in a very consistent way. Again, just more musical detail (less loss of musical information) resulting in more engagement, more enjoyment." The 16 ply has thinner and more layers and will be more stable than the 7 ply. I did compare some simpler boards like your 7 ply here to my 16 ply and the 16 ply was clearly better. How thick is your 7 ply board? My 16 ply is 8 mm, that means each layer is 0,05 mm and it's very light, but extremely stable. Just like Linn recommended...
The 7 ply stuff is 3/8 inch or 9mm, about the same as the 16 ply. So I figured the weight would be about the same. A 45 cm by 35 cm sheet weighs 945g.
I do think the 16 ply would be more rigid due to more plies. As you know, the plies are assembled cross grained. I think this would add to rigidity.
Then there's the other half to the query; how much trouble would it be for me to get hold of the 16 ply stuff? I can't seem to find it anywhere in North America.
That's easy: a quick trip to Germany
No seriously, if you are interested, I could arrange it for you.Although the individual plies would be lighter on the 16 ply it would also use more glue to hold it together. Because of that it might actually be a little heavier for the same thickness. But the extra plies (and likely the extra glue) should make it a bit stiffer. All that considered it is anybody's guess which one would sound more musical. But Tendaberry has apparently compared both so he has the advantage here.
That is so generous of you. I'll reach out to you via PM. Thank you!That's easy: a quick trip to Germany
I've had some time to give some thought to the NOKTable, and my decision to go in the direction that I went.
As I said earlier, when I found the second AudioTech, my intent was to find a third. I quickly realized this could take one week or a few years. I had no idea. So I decided not to wait, and got the NOKTable.
The used AudioTech was $250. The NOKTable goes for $995. I was very okay with the old price of about $600, but $1000 was a bit steep I thought. However, knowing what I know now, and having experienced the NOKTable in daily use, if I had the choice of either stand at those prices, I'd spend the extra money for the NOKTable.
First of all, I think having the LP12 up a bit higher looks good. It stands out above it all as it should. The practical aspect of being four inches higher for record changing is much nicer on my aging body. It really is quite a difference. I thought I'd one day have to go to a wall mount, not anymore. As for sound quality. I haven't done any comparison as I'm not really into that. But I'm confident it sounds no worse than the AudioTech, and may even sound better due to reduced weight.
Spent money is soon forgotten. But now I have the setup that I really wanted.
As I said earlier, when I found the second AudioTech, my intent was to find a third. I quickly realized this could take one week or a few years. I had no idea. So I decided not to wait, and got the NOKTable.
The used AudioTech was $250. The NOKTable goes for $995. I was very okay with the old price of about $600, but $1000 was a bit steep I thought. However, knowing what I know now, and having experienced the NOKTable in daily use, if I had the choice of either stand at those prices, I'd spend the extra money for the NOKTable.
First of all, I think having the LP12 up a bit higher looks good. It stands out above it all as it should. The practical aspect of being four inches higher for record changing is much nicer on my aging body. It really is quite a difference. I thought I'd one day have to go to a wall mount, not anymore. As for sound quality. I haven't done any comparison as I'm not really into that. But I'm confident it sounds no worse than the AudioTech, and may even sound better due to reduced weight.
Spent money is soon forgotten. But now I have the setup that I really wanted.
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8mm vs. 9mm thickness reduces the weight from 945g to 840g. So less weight and more rigid. There's your sound quality improvement.
Thank you TendaberryThat's easy: a quick trip to Germany
I am very grateful to you for arranging the purchase and shipping of the Baltic birch aviation plywood that is 8mm 16 ply to me more than a year ago from Germany. This is the product manufactured in Finland.
Definitely a significant improvement in sound quality for every component I place on top of the plywood in my HiFi system.
'I tried it with spikes on the shelf underneath the plywood, pointing up to the bottom of the plywood, to suspend the plywood and results were good. The electronics were placed on top of this plywood.
However, I experimented with placing Isoacoustic Oreas instead of the spikes under the plywood, and the sound quality was much better with the Isoacoustic Oreas than the spikes.
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