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why has many music genres have such a snobbery attached to it,ie northern soul.........

 

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People who look down on rocker like me! C'mon if Mahler was ever live to meet Mr. Les Paul then his music would sound like Led Zepplin :rockin:

Whole lotta love

 

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People who look down on rocker like me! C'mon if Mahler was ever live to meet Mr. Les Paul then his music would sound like Led Zepplin :rockin: Whole lotta love
:pint: x2, classical music is rock'nroll wiv an Orchestra:rockin:

 

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The only people who are music snobs are the followers, I have never found a musician who can't appreciate other peoples skills.

Musicians generally love other musicians and are happy to play with any one.

Menuhin was more than happy to play with Grapelli but I am sure a lot of Menuhin's fans were appalled.

Van Morrison played with Cliff!

Jimmy Page was a big fan of folk guitarist Bert Yansch

Sometimes the collaborations mix genres and have commercial success as per Run-DMC/Aerosmith

I think fans love keeping musicians to themselves and love it when they see them in small venues and they are a bit 'underground'. If the artist stays small and poor the fans would be happy but when the artist works out how to appeal to a bigger audience and make more money they are said to have 'sold out' and chased the money and the fan dumps them and moves on to the next small emerging artist.

I have done this myself to some extent, I have enjoyed seeing artists in small clubs, it is never the same when that intamacy is lost in a large concert hall. We like being part of some sort of 'exclusive group' and don't like our imagined 'relationship' with the artist being shared by thousands.

 
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The only people who are music snobs are the followers, I have never found a musician who can't appreciate other peoples skills.Musicians generally love other musicians and are happy to play with any one.

Menuhin was more than happy to play with Grapelli but I am sure a lot of Menuhin's fans were appalled.

Van Morrison played with Cliff!

Jimmy Page was a big fan of folk guitarist Bert Yansch

Sometimes the collaborations mix genres and have commercial success as per Run-DMC/Aerosmith

I think fans love keeping musicians to themselves and love it when they see them in small venues and they are a bit 'underground'. If the artist stays small and poor the fans would be happy but when the artist works out how to appeal to a bigger audience and make more money they are said to have 'sold out' and chased the money and the fan dumps them and moves on to the next small emerging artist.

I have done this myself to some extent, I have enjoyed seeing artists in small clubs, it is never the same when that intamacy is lost in a large concert hall. We like being part of some sort of 'exclusive group' and don't like our imagined 'relationship' with the artist being shared by thousands.
it seems not everyone shares your opinion

http://flavorwire.com/200333/the-30-harshest-musician-on-musician-insults-in-history/view-all

 
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The only people who are music snobs are the followers, I have never found a musician who can't appreciate other peoples skills.Musicians generally love other musicians and are happy to play with any one.

Menuhin was more than happy to play with Grapelli but I am sure a lot of Menuhin's fans were appalled.

Van Morrison played with Cliff!

Jimmy Page was a big fan of folk guitarist Bert Yansch

Sometimes the collaborations mix genres and have commercial success as per Run-DMC/Aerosmith

I think fans love keeping musicians to themselves and love it when they see them in small venues and they are a bit 'underground'. If the artist stays small and poor the fans would be happy but when the artist works out how to appeal to a bigger audience and make more money they are said to have 'sold out' and chased the money and the fan dumps them and moves on to the next small emerging artist.

I have done this myself to some extent, I have enjoyed seeing artists in small clubs, it is never the same when that intamacy is lost in a large concert hall. We like being part of some sort of 'exclusive group' and don't like our imagined 'relationship' with the artist being shared by thousands.
Poor Cliff! Imagine having to play with the likes of that fat, repulsive megalomaniac Morrison. A blob of epic vileness and rudeness and a voice like a vomiting panda, I had the misfortune of being on tour with that hideous, uncouth repulsive and childish turd-tablet and it's something I'll never forget.

 

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Jimmy Page played on a Val Doonican record - when he was session boy. Goes to show whatever pays the bills!

 

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Poor Cliff! Imagine having to play with the likes of that fat, repulsive megalomaniac Morrison. A blob of epic vileness and rudeness and a voice like a vomiting panda, I had the misfortune of being on tour with that hideous, uncouth repulsive and childish turd-tablet and it's something I'll never forget.
Fucking priceless :rofl:

 

Leonard Smalls

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Problem with being working musician is that playing music is what pays the bills...

So unless you've got shedloads of money you're not going to turn a gig down, unless it's folk of course :p

I know because I've tried!

And when you get big enough to start turning things down and acting like a diva, judicious flattery, plenty coin, and general arse licking usually persuades...

 
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Problem with being working musician is that playing music is what pays the bills...So unless you've got shedloads of money you're not going to turn a gig down, unless it's folk of course :p

I know because I've tried!

And when you get big enough to start turning things down and acting like a diva, judicious flattery, plenty coin, and general arse licking usually persuades...
+1, life is pretty tough as a working musician. Also as you get into different genres (from jazz to folk, blues to country, baroque to avant garde) you realise that what seems simple on the outside can be laden with subtlety that takes years to master. That's where the mutual respect comes in.

However I would make a proviso that a considerable amount of mass-market pop music is about fashion, not musical talent. Encountering this shit while out and about, it's hard not to notice that an amazing amount of it has a vocal range as little as 4-5 notes and what is sung is undoubtedly processed/autotuned to death.

The session guys on the recording may well be masters of their trade, but sneering at the half dressed/hair-gel'd muppets up front has to be allowed on occasion. :zip:

 

Leonard Smalls

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The session guys on the recording may well be masters of their trade, but sneering at the half dressed/hair-gel'd muppets up front has to be allowed on occasion. :zip:
Quietly, of course!

I've got a mate who's a session guitarist and has worked with a number of said hair gelled muppets; he's surprisingly proud of the fact that they chose him to make them sound good.

I always poke fun, saying shit's shit, even if it's well-crafted shit!

But then he's making a living as a musical whore - I play occasional gigs for free in village halls.

But at least I've got my integrity. Whatever that is!

 

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Poor Cliff! Imagine having to play with the likes of that fat, repulsive megalomaniac Morrison. A blob of epic vileness and rudeness and a voice like a vomiting panda, I had the misfortune of being on tour with that hideous, uncouth repulsive and childish turd-tablet and it's something I'll never forget.
Wonderful.

Must be the only time I've felt sorry for our Cliff, seeing him on TV trying to make a living by duetting with that shouty dickhead.

 

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Poor Cliff! Imagine having to play with the likes of that fat, repulsive megalomaniac Morrison. A blob of epic vileness and rudeness and a voice like a vomiting panda, I had the misfortune of being on tour with that hideous, uncouth repulsive and childish turd-tablet and it's something I'll never forget.
Tremendous!

 

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Poor Cliff! Imagine having to play with the likes of that fat, repulsive megalomaniac Morrison. A blob of epic vileness and rudeness and a voice like a vomiting panda, I had the misfortune of being on tour with that hideous, uncouth repulsive and childish turd-tablet and it's something I'll never forget.
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