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hifinutt

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very enjoyable show , so nice to go into a demo room and hear a pin drop as no one chatting [ I am the worst culprit sadly]

well worth going to

the overflow car park was somewhat underused but nice to have a free minibus

 

hifinutt

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it was well worth driving 200 miles to . the highlight for me was the AWESOME wilsons which just ROCKED , oh my gosh

listening to tom jones track from an album called praise and blame was so good and the first track from a synth album show just how deep they can go

the presenter from Wilson really knew his music and gave a great introduction to each piece

next up was the magico S5 , they too were very special and so glad I could hear , space and realism aplenty

sadly the montis [and I own ml speakers] were pretty underwhelming with the usually good 402e krell

not very impressive

enjoyed very much the TAD presentation from the inimitable mr sallis

good presentation and great to see the new much easier to use Townshend wobbly stands under the tads

just might get a pair of these , just like bars with pods on and you get to put them under sinply by rocking to and fro

finished up with a pretty magnificent view of Windsor castle against a darkening sky

very enjoyable and worth every penny

 

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Thought it was very good, much better than Whittlebury. Favourite rooms were Estelon and TAD, with TAD being the best of show IMO.

Going to attend next year for sure

Marc.

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It was a bloody good show with just enough rooms to keep you occupied and equipment so beautiful it leads to palputations.

The Wilson Alexias at £48K were perfection. They weren't even as ugly as photos made out. Brilliant sound and as Phil said, they went so low and punchy with one techno track that it created gasps of ecstacy. And it was a big room. They were being played through D'Agostino monos and pre, Audio Research CD player and sometimes laptop. The Duettes weren't on demo but I have to say they look awful.

So glad I heard some Magicos at last. Really good too as you'd expect. The S5 were the only ones on demo and they cost £30K. In fact lots of items at that show cost around £30K!

Didn't get to check the Focal room as it was always full and with constant demos, but I saw they had the flagships playing...which were by far the biggest speakers I've ever seen.

TAD were good again, nothing really to fault it. Again, it's hard to form a detailed opinion when the music being played is not your cup of tea.

After hearing all that then going upstairs to the B&W/Musical Fidelity room it actually seemed like you were hearing the sounds from a midi system in comparison. Poles apart and about £80K apart too.

I was worried by the T&A stuff. It looked great, the new speakers with lots of little drivers, 2 side woofers and a front electrostatic strip looks the business. Really nice. Their sound concerned me...nice imaging but very restrained and reserved vocals. It was a weird sound and I don't think things about the speaker were working. £30K (again).

Would have loved to have heard the ML Montis/Krell being put through its paces, but it was always on too quietly.

Summary: Magico and Wilson deserve their reputations as some of the best speakers in the world. Their American reps were amiable and helpful.

 

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Agreed guys in that the sound quality in the rooms we went into was very good indeed and shows it can be done at exhibitions. The trick to seeing things was to go get tickets and try to organise room visiting but some central organisation would have been better.

The Krell/Montis was too quiet and very tame, where were the dynamics? We followed this with the Constellation/Magico system and it was miles ahead; 3D, dynamic, very natural with a great sense of realism. The perspective was a little more distant than I like but it was an excellent system. Next was the Wilson set up demonstrated by Peter McGrath from Wilson. He brought one of his recording which sounded super. The whole system was exceptional and whilst the bass demo was a bit 'gee whiz' it did go deep. It was the best/2nd best.

The Naim/Focal system was the best I have ever heard from Naim or Focal. The Focal speakers cost six figures. The power, scale 3D dynamics were excellent but they had little light/shade and were a bit 'full on' all the time and may be waring after an hour or so. They will impress your mates but not sure they impress me at the prices.

The TAD room was superb and the little monitors gave a great, natural sound. The presenter (not Tony, good to see him though) was a natural and very empathetic with the audience. Although expensive it was one of the best. The larger speakers tended to over power the room but very similar. The Yello track really got things going.

On the second floor there were another set of rooms. We got in after Elanor McEvoy (tickets all gone on weds last week). The Fact 12 speakers sounded very good. They are an excellent monitor style speaker without all the rough sound that comes with studio monitors. The bass was tight powerful and filled the room up well. I was surprised as PMC speakers have sounded relentless and aggressive in the past. The Chord room was weird, they had a reasonable sized set of speakers but they produced very little bass. Then we went into the trilogy room; wow. They were using the Sonus Faber Guaneri(?) speakers with their amps. They sounded superb. No real deep bass or top end but what was done was done exceptional. The Estelon and Avalon rooms were great, real 3D, natural sounding.

There was another building that meant braving the elements to get there. This was much more compact. Unfortunately the sound quality was not as good, the Van den Hul room was OK if crowded, the Elac room produced a really good sound from some tiddly speakers but with a really nice tweeter. Not impressed with the Tune set up.

Food was good and £6 for a lunch bag.

If this occurs again then they should put a few road signs and exhibition signs up, a timetable for room demos, a few more open rooms and a lower price. Otherwise very good and a nice way to hear £1M worth of hifi !!!!!!

 

Valvebloke

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The Naim/Focal system was the best I have ever heard from Naim or Focal. The Focal speakers cost six figures. The power, scale 3D dynamics were excellent but they had little light/shade and were a bit 'full on' all the time and may be waring after an hour or so. They will impress your mates but not sure they impress me at the prices.
Interesting. I spent a little while in there but I'm afraid I didn't like what I heard. I thought the sound lacked detail and the imaging seemed to be all over the place. At one point I was following a single instrument as it moved right across the soundstage, pretty much from one side to the other. I suppose it's just possible the performer was on his feet and wandering about, but I suspect not. Maybe I was just sitting in a bad seat, or there was something dodgy about the recording. But I left confused and feeling just a little seasick. I have to say the speakers did look very impressive though !

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Just goes to show that different people like different things, there's nothing wrong with that.

 

George 47

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Interesting. I spent a little while in there but I'm afraid I didn't like what I heard. I thought the sound lacked detail and the imaging seemed to be all over the place. At one point I was following a single instrument as it moved right across the soundstage, pretty much from one side to the other. I suppose it's just possible the performer was on his feet and wandering about, but I suspect not. Maybe I was just sitting in a bad seat, or there was something dodgy about the recording. But I left confused and feeling just a little seasick. I have to say the speakers did look very impressive though !VB
Interesting indeed. Not sure I noticed a lack of detail but we were only there for a few of tracks. I and Bryan were not appreciating this upfront sound which I thought was related to one track's recording but no it was there all the time and there seemed little light and shade.

I am still not sure that Naim amps and Focal's speakers work well together as I have heard a better matches. Despite that it was the best I have heard a Naim/Focal set up and I thought the Naim set up at Scalford was very good.

But then my sound is more valve flavoured ;-)

 

JamPal

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Gutted I couldn't make this, had intended to, but had other commitments to deal with.

Anyone got any photos?

 

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You missed a good one there James, extremely well run show. Well thought out, excellent rooms and some excellent systems. A thoroughly enjoyable day out.

 

berni217

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IMHO the best sound of the show goes to PMC with their fabulous Fact 12 speakers which left a memorable print in my head. Then TAD and Magico but they are out of the world. I cannot comprehend spending silly amount of money in HiFi.

B.

 

pmac

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Really enjoyed the show, a few more rooms would have been nice, but what was there was pretty good, with one or two notable exceptions ;-)

Plenty of t/t porn on show, pity there wasn't more of it playing :x

Bob's plinth on the 401 is lovely in the flesh and the Tenuto mat adds something, I think



The Spiral Groove looks to be a very nice deck, not entirely convinced with the wibbly wobbly unipivot with the underslung counterweight though



They were the front end for some Avalons. Look lovely, but the Jury's out on the sound IMO. I would expect more for the money :dunno:



The big PMC monitors were being driven far too hard and had bass issues when I was in there. I tried to revisit to see if it had been solved, but the room was locked for a demo



Some nice looking EAT t/t's "on show" WHY NOT PLAY THE BLOODY THINGS :doh:





More to come ............

 
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pmac

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Edwards Audio had a lovely little £1200 system playing vinyl. Very good for the money :^



Chord were here too ;-)



The D'Agostino amps driving the Wilsons was a very dynamic presentation, pretty much typical Wilson sound to me



 

pmac

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The Airforce One with a Continuum Cobra arm was on show, but not playing when I was in there (and I went back four times, but to no avail)



Same room had the Magico's. I was a bit underwhelmed on Friday, but they certainly sounded a great deal better on Saturday morning :^



These little Elacs were punching above their weight, quite literally, they're tiny



 

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