It's amusing but not surprising that some people are so bitter and cynical they need to continue "proving the point" even when everybody has left the discussion.
Please can I ask that you take your turntable and tone arm one-upmanship onto another thread? You can go and be as unpleasant to each other as you like there instead.
When I was at Castle they were making the mainline shaft for the Rolls Royce commercial jet engine, that’s pretty high level machining in my book.
The reason that SME is making the Keel has more to do with the fact that they are more fit for purpose when it comes to low volume manufacturing. At Castle making stuff for Linn, like the Klimax cases, was more disruptive and not profitable, SME is simply a better match.
Castle & SME are both top tier shops, just different business focus.
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I'm neither bitter nor cynical. I'm realistic.
Linn's marketing/brainwashing is incredible. I saw someone here wondering whether digital replay could ever match the total excellence of the LP12!
I've done the Castle factory tour, it's not terrible.
I've never understood why Linn don't redesign the LP12 from a blank sheet, but hey, it sells. And there's the innumerable little upgrades.
My only advice to you is when you are in a hole... stop digging.
Keels, Klimax cases, tone-arm parts have all, at different times, been manufactured at Castle.
I even have the photographs to prove it. I worked at Linn and have worked on behalf of SME so my information is infinitely better than your few visits to any factory or one off conversations with Gilad Tiefenbrun.
And if you think Castle’s engineering capabilities are not on par with SME then I have a very handsome bridge to sell you.
I’m out.
As @rabski has observed, we don't police thread drift, otherwise there would be very few threads that survive more than a page or so. However, having spent an unrecoverable hour of my time reading this thread, I would observe that some posts have come very close to crossing the line into verbal abuse. If that trend continues, it will be vacation time for the posters responsible.
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You're certainly not there to police. But you're there to moderate. This Keel stuff has *nothing* to do with the original intention of the thread. Please keep the discussion relevant.
And while I'm ranting - can we please stop using full long quotes? Keep your quotes to the bare minimum, especially if the post you're quoting is the one right above...
Thank you!
We've stated many times the extent to which we will (and will not) moderate threads, which is to keep the discussion within the scope of the Acceptable Use Policy:
Much as you may think that it "ought" to be different, it won't happen.
As a general point it is usually considered inadvisable in a forum to try telling the mods what their job is - just sayin'...
Okey-doke, Gilad doesn't know what he's talking about.
Not sure I understand the anger.
Tony is a lot more polite than I am, and you picked a bad day for this.
So. To make the point perfectly clear, you don't own the forum. In fact, as far as I can see, you haven't even paid anything towards it, or for any form of membership. Either way, you don't have any right to tell anyone how it should be run.
Specifically, you don't have any right to try and tell other members how to behave or post. Even more specifically, don't ever, ever start to think you have the right to tell any moderator here what their job is.
Sorry, I'm relatively new here, and only really in this section of this sub-forum so I've not seen your previous guidance. I didn't mean for this thread, or my request to close it, would lead to any frustration or animosity at all. Just the opposite. Please accept my apologies for drawing you into this, albeit with good intentions, I have learnt from the experience.
Wow! Just checked back here after a few days to find that the original nature of the post seems have taken a bit of a twist.
@jonbsbdoriginal post followed his generous giving of time to listen, prepare and post a real world review of the new Klimax DSM.
As I see it, this was done in his own time for the benefit or interest of others for which he has my thanks.
How did any of the above provoke a weird kind of top trumps game of who supposedly knows this and who supposedly knows that?
A disappointing twist to what began and mostly continued as a genuine and honest post.
@jonbsbdoriginal post followed his generous giving of time to listen, prepare and post a real world review of the new Klimax DSM.
As I see it, this was done in his own time for the benefit or interest of others for which he has my thanks.
How did any of the above provoke a weird kind of top trumps game of who supposedly knows this and who supposedly knows that?
A disappointing twist to what began and mostly continued as a genuine and honest post.
And I was going to reply that I could put Eskimos off eating Polar Bear. Pleased you agree.
The guys on here who worked for, in this case, either Linn or SME will be the ones with first hand knowledge of this stuff. I certainly feel that if members have a 'connection' it should be made clear and open. In that way comments might carry some truth (not guaranteed).
'knowledge' outside of working for any given company can at best be second hand.
I certainly don't suggest that no one else may know something for sure but if they do, maybe pointing to their reference would add credibility. Otherwise we're all just waiting for their mother to switch their internet off for the night. Bless them
Apologies. Quite remiss of me to not state my own point of reference.
David Williamson, myself and a small well hidden demonstration room at Linn. As a member of the new product development team when the LP12SE project was launched it's quite possible I may know the answers.
That would probably be best on a separate post though.......just saying.
Thanks for your support @uk030and sorry @jonbsbdthat your efforts were hijacked and used to launch a shit flinging contest.
10/10 for the review. 0/10 for the shit flinging
David Williamson, myself and a small well hidden demonstration room at Linn. As a member of the new product development team when the LP12SE project was launched it's quite possible I may know the answers.
That would probably be best on a separate post though.......just saying.
Thanks for your support @uk030and sorry @jonbsbdthat your efforts were hijacked and used to launch a shit flinging contest.
10/10 for the review. 0/10 for the shit flinging
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That sounds like a great experience Simon, would love to hear more at an appropriate time (and thread)
Back on topic, any updates on the subject matter? Have you received your Organik upgrades for 350/KEB yet and had a chance to hear them?
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That’s one way of putting it! I’ve already apologised to @jonbsbd for allowing myself to be drawn into the rabbit hole and I offer the same apology to our regular readers here. I wish I’d just stepped back, but hindsight’s a wonderful thing.
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