Yamaha NS1000M

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The listing also contains a nice example of "I don't have a clue about the way eBay bidding works" on the part of the second person to bid :D .

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The listing also contains a nice example of "I don't have a clue about the way eBay bidding works" on the part of the second person to bid :D .VB
Hmm .. 'bid activity with this seller: 41%' could be the seller's mate putting a solid floor under the price.

 
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no need, these things fetch silly money, craxy for something that will make you wince even when few by a vintage valve amp

 

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Hmm .. 'bid activity with this seller: 41%' could be the seller's mate putting a solid floor under the price.
... could be. But the whole 50% (that's what it's up to now) consists of bids on this single item. He/she just hasn't bid much in the last 30 days. And when I see bidding like this I tend to be put off. It's indicative of the sort of clueless noob who's simply decided they want the item. As well as being clueless about how to bid they may also be clueless about what it's really worth. In which case they'll keep bidding until they win, whatever it takes. And I'm not interested in games like that. Of course it could be that they're so dumb that they attempt to enter sixteen bids, each £20 above the last one, in the last three seconds :D .

no need, these things fetch silly money, craxy for something that will make you wince even when few by a vintage valve amp
I'm sitting here, as I write this, listening to a pair being fed by a vintage valve amp. Quick wince check ... Nope ! You're not the only one who doesn't like them. But I'm not the only one who does.

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no need, these things fetch silly money, craxy for something that will make you wince even when few by a vintage valve amp
??

I have seen some silly things posted on the Wam recently, several of them by yourself, but this one takes the prize.

Have you actually ever heard the Yamaha NS1000? With a decent source and amp?

I'm listening to my fine pair right now.

:nup:

 

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Small 'stands'! I had mine on much taller ones to get tweeter at ear height.

were reputed to need watts, but sounded fine in my -then - DNM amps with 25 watt max, on only half power.

 

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The Yamaha drive units are excellent, but the dividing network is not (bipolar caps! Ugh!). I have heard the NS-1000 that Troels Gravesen made a new filter for! Works MUCH better than the originals. The beryllium drivers are fabulous, but the woofer is a weak point as there is not much going on below 50hz.

 

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The Yamaha drive units are excellent, but the dividing network is not (bipolar caps! Ugh!).
These speakers will soon be forty years old. So when I got mine I opened them up, took the crossovers out, disconnected the caps and measured them. They're fine - unusually accurate capacitance values and very respectable ESRs. There's nothing wrong with them. But if you object to them on religious grounds or because you don't like the way they taste (Ugh!) then you will definitely need to replace them.

I have heard the NS-1000 that Troels Gravesen made a new filter for! Works MUCH better than the originals.
Here's the speakers' behaviour as measured by Troels before and after he made the crossover changes

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You can read the full story on his website http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/Yamaha-NS1000.htm which is where I pinched this graph from.

I'm afraid I can't find anywhere which curve is 'before' and which is 'after'. I tried to compare them with other curves he shows, measured under different circumstances, but I'm afraid the difference between the crossovers is smaller than the difference made by moving the speakers or by putting them on stands or by moving the measuring mike. Whether you call this difference MUCH better or not is again a matter of taste.

The beryllium drivers are fabulous, but the woofer is a weak point as there is not much going on below 50hz.
Well, Troels says it's 3dB down at 50Hz. But it's not dead. He also points out that you can compensate this by room positioning which I've done with mine. I agree that the woofer isn't nearly as special as the other two drivers though. It's also worth pointing out that the woofers in the NS1000 (which I've got) and the NS1000M (which, from the pictures, seems to be what Troels worked on) have different Yamaha part numbers. One obvious difference is that the M versions have a grille whereas mine don't (Troels grumbles that the grille made it very hard for him to make near-field bass measurements). But there may be other differences too. The M version of the speaker is 8kg lighter than the non-M. Some of that will be due to the cabinet. But maybe some is due to the woofer magnet too (pure speculation though) ?

VB

 

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no need, these things fetch silly money, craxy for something that will make you wince even when few by a vintage valve amp
That is completely untrue in my opinion and experience.

 

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That is completely untrue in my opinion and experience.
+1 I had the pleaure of a brief listen to Valveblokes NS1000s fed by his Radford and was very impressed with what they did. NO wincing to be had at all - just very enjoyable sounds!

 

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But valve amps are not a prerequisite for success. Neither of the two pairs of NS-1000Ms that I regularly listen to (one pair being my own) are driven by valves.

 

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I heard Ian's (Baggawire) Yammies a few weeks ago at his bake off, they sounded superb with a Berning integrated running them.

 

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I have owned my Yamaha NS1000M s from new decades ago. They have been powered by a Nakamichi 530 receiver, a Hafler DH220, a Musical Fidelity A 370 and a Nuforce Class D jobbie, probably others I have forgotten too. Always sounded fast and transparent, certainly more so than most speakers I have heard.

 
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I heard a pair owned by a neighbour who is a pro rock musician, in a soundproofed room as he has neighbours too

they shrieked.

I'll write whatever I want,themadlatvian, my ears dont need syringing
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What's the significance of mentioning that he's a pro rock musician ?

If you're suggesting that he knows his stuff better than you and I do then, well, maybe he does. And that'll be why he has NS-1000s.

Or are you suggesting that the only people who own these speakers are those whose ears have been shot by spending years in the presence of loud live music ? If that's your point then you have to concede he may well have been playing poorly recorded music through them and/or using other poorly performing hardware. They were designed for monitoring and, to quote Troels Gravesen yet again,

If it's harsh, it's because the recording is rubbish, your amp or your cartridge/CD player is not up to what the speakers can reveal. These speakers are smooth all the way, yet deliver a sense of presence and clarity few speakers can manage.

VB

 

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What's the significance of mentioning that he's a pro rock musician ?If you're suggesting that he knows his stuff better than you and I do then, well, maybe he does. And that'll be why he has NS-1000s.

Or are you suggesting that the only people who own these speakers are those whose ears have been shot by spending years in the presence of loud live music ? If that's your point then you have to concede he may well have been playing poorly recorded music through them and/or using other poorly performing hardware. They were designed for monitoring and, to quote Troels Gravesen yet again,

If it's harsh, it's because the recording is rubbish, your amp or your cartridge/CD player is not up to what the speakers can reveal. These speakers are smooth all the way, yet deliver a sense of presence and clarity few speakers can manage.

VB
Having heard your NS1000s at Scalford, I thought they were very clean and suitable as quality monitors, not at all harsh or unpleasant. Different from the BBC sound, but still very usable for making creative decisions on when recording or mixing. Professional monitors in other words.

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