avant garde classical

[bohemian]

Is there any interest in classical avant garde music?

I am thinking in terms of Stockhausen, Henry Kaiser, Harry Partch and others.
I have some great music by these composers and others - much of it little known and out of print these days, pretty well unavailable in the mainstream stores.

I just got some solo electric guitar improvisations by Henry Kaiser - he is amazing!

 

[Klassik]

I know that this is not at all what you're referring to, xD , but I quite like the mid-18th century version of avant-garde music, Mannheim School music.   xD   Klassik reckons that Mannheim rockets, Mannheim rollers, Mannheim crescendos,  and such seem less remarkable now that Mozart and others integrated them into their music.  

Care for some Cannabich? 

 

[toms wait]

this is rather good

 

[JANDL100]

Henry Kaiser - More Requia album with solo guitar.  Playing now on dear old Spotify.

Well, it's OK, not sure I can get too excited about it  - I'd not class it as classical, or even klass it as Klassikal.

Nah.

 

[audio_PHIL_e]

On 24/11/2020 at 12:24, Klassik said:

I know that this is not at all what you're referring to, xD , but I quite like the mid-18th century version of avant-garde music, Mannheim School music.   xD   Klassik reckons that Mannheim rockets, Mannheim rollers, Mannheim crescendos,  and such seem less remarkable now that Mozart and others integrated them into their music.  

Care for some Cannabich? 

This is infinitely preferable to what is usually known as "avant-garde". It has the 3 elements of music that I usually listen for: rhythm, melody, and harmony. Unlike the other stuff which I usually call "plinky-plonk"

 

[Tulse]

I think that Cannabich is sh!t.

 

[Tulse]

Is there any interest in classical avant garde music?

You'll like this Bo.

 

[Klassik]

I prefer 4'33".    I much prefer the Cannabich.  xD

 

[timmytiger]

This is infinitely preferable to what is usually known as "avant-garde". It has the 3 elements of music that I usually listen for: rhythm, melody, and harmony. Unlike the other stuff which I usually call "plinky-plonk"

Just what my second wife said about Messiaen, one person's avant -garde isn't another's.

 

[audio_PHIL_e]

Just what my second wife said about Messiaen, one person's avant -garde isn't another's.

I get that. I suppose L.v.Beethoven could have been considered avant-garde in his day because he broke a lot of the existing conventions at the time. Similar to what Michael J Fox said in Back To The Future after he went all punk and kicked the amplifier over at the Rock'n'Roll gig: "I guess you're not ready for that yet, but your kids will love it".

 

[timmytiger]

Henry Kaiser - More Requia album with solo guitar.  Playing now on dear old Spotify.

Well, it's OK, not sure I can get too excited about it  - I'd not class it as classical, or even klass it as Klassikal.

Nah.

He just sounds like some guy noodling around on his guitar to me, a bit directionless.

 

[Tulse]

I'm not sure if this is what Bo has in mind but Gubaidulina is a pretty fine composer and still alive.

 

[Klassik]

I get that. I suppose L.v.Beethoven could have been considered avant-garde in his day because he broke a lot of the existing conventions at the time. Similar to what Michael J Fox said in Back To The Future after he went all punk and kicked the amplifier over at the Rock'n'Roll gig: "I guess you're not ready for that yet, but your kids will love it".

Sometimes some of Beethoven's works are given more credit for being revolutionary than they deserve.  Perhaps an example of this is the famed concert where Beethoven's Eroica Symphony debuted.  At the same concert, Anton Eberl's E-flat, Op. 33 Symphony debuted as well.  Eberl was a composer of fame at the time.  The Eberl symphony was certainly more conservative and, thus, more positively reviewed by the critics at the time.    Having said that, listening to the Eberl does show some of the elements that Beethoven used in the Eroica like a mini-march type quality in the slow movement. 

 

[Klassik]

Here's some avant-garde music from Australia.  xD

 

[EddieRUKidding]

Now we have had our beer its time for some Varese

 

[Tulse]

I'm playing the Eberl symphony posted above. It has a cheerful universality that I associate with Haydn but a more modern sound. It is good.

My research shows an alternative origin to the first performance. According to this it debuted in 1804 and then in 1805 it was played in a concert set up in competition to Beethoven's Eroica première .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_in_E-flat_(Eberl)

 

[Le Baron]

This is a contender for my favourite movement for quartet from Erwin Schulhoff's Five Pieces for string quartet. He was usually a much more avant-garde composer than this piece suggests. He had a notorious, but meticulously notated 'silent' piece long before John Cage. He wrote five rather short symphonies which get progressively more violent as he railed against the Nazi's rise to power. He eventually died of tuberculosis in a concentration camp in 1942.

This Tango Milonga is the only 'slow' movement, with beautiful, languorous melodies and a great role for the cello and viola, especially when the middle, with it's gypsy-like flavour, reaches its crescendo. The final dissonant chord is pure Schulhoff. I posted the live version because not only do they do a good job, but they are enjoying themselves. (The best recorded version is by the Artis Quartet alongside works by Zemlinsky and Kreisler).

 

[Tulse]

Nice movement Baron.

Here is Yoko Ono dreaming of John.

 

[Le Baron]

I had tears in my eyes all through that. I haven't laughed so much for at least 17 minutes.

It was basically about sex wasn't it?