Bought these in error as what I needed was ECF82 valves . Brand new NOS item from Langerex and they were NOS covered in cellophane . Do not have anyhting else they could be used in so if any one else could make use of them PM me . Please do not just ask for these to stick in a pile and keep for whatever , only ask if you can use them either in some exisiting equipment or a DIY project .