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[/b]Only a couple of years ago I was a belt n’ braces Naim user, content at dreaming of the next nac* or *cap etc and then I started hanging around forums like this. Our friend Mr Gromit recently started a thread titled ‘starting all over again’ …now six or so months later I’m now looking at and listening to my rather hair-brain collection of new and retro toys.

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Background[/b]

Going back to 2000 I bought a used Sony La Scala 1 mini separates system, this was their ‘high end’ offering and may have been the pre-cursor of the brushed steel ‘lifestyle’ look of the mid 90’s onwards. Although I foolishly sold the system, I never forgot the sound that came from the speakers, and have longed for something approaching their magic ever since. As luck has it I recently happened across a lightly used example of one of these now very rare Scala 1 systems on eBay a few weeks ago and bagged it for a snip.

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The Scala 1 system originally retailed at £1400 when released in 1994, two thirds of the system cost apparently reflected the active speakers. The active crossover feeds discrete onboard amps equipped with R-core transformers and terminate with 6.5†LF woofer and an electrostatic tweeter. On paper the 50w RMS wont raise many pulses, but interestingly the woofer utilises motional feedback technology, something I initially mistook for a fancy alternative name for rear porting, but on research now understand as an innovative Philips design from the 70’s that reduces distortion and significantly improves LF control and quality from smaller enclosures. I also read that motional feedback designs enjoy an almost cult following, and I’m told if the usual mob were to design a similar active speaker today the cost would be eye-watering? The other thing I like about these speakers is the lack of distracting filters, attenuators and the like around the back, nope – these have just the power inlet and rca socket.

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The reality of this for me is exceptionally potent LF, greater in speed and extension than my previous Neat Motive 2, lauded as impressive LF performers themselves. The start/stop quality of cranium crunching bass notes is simply exhilarating, certainly not dry, they have a lovely ‘juicy’ quality that I love. When paired with the electrostatic tweeter the overall sound has sense of dimension, freedom and time to fully articulate. Strings especially, have a sublime rich quality, and the sound of fingers drawn along guitar strings is eerily natural, no previous speaker I have owned have come close to these for involvement and intimacy. I was considering high sensitivity speakers to accompany valve amps to get more intimacy, but I was mindful of comments suggesting such speakers can lack bass punch, and that was something I couldn’t accept. I feel now that I have the best of both worlds with these Sony’s. The phrase ‘Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee’ is a cheesy, but apt description of what I get from these speakers.

Having dipped my toe into valves with the outstanding Puresound p10 phonostage, I have been compelled to throw caution to the wind and dive in.

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My new Pre-amp is an integrated valve MM phono & line stage with separate PSU and is based on the Kondo KSL-M7. It was built for me by a chap called Gordon Welford, I initially dipped my toe in with him by getting my Denon 103pro modded and nuded. This pre is a zero negative feedback design and uses mostly mil spec components…for those who may be interested, here are some descriptions:

Pre innards

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PSU innards

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THE LINE PREAMP EMPLOYS AN R-CORE TRANSFORMER A MULLARD MIL-SPEC VALVE RECITIFIER FEEDING A CHOKE INPUT POWER SUPPLY. THE POWER SUPPLY CAPACITORS ARE A TYPE JC MORRISON.[/b][/b]

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THE POWER SUPPLY CAPACITORS ARE MOUNTED ON A TEFLON BOARD AND THE SHINKOHS ARE SOLDERED DIRECTLY TO THE VALVE SOCKET AND DIRECTLY TO THE POWER SUPPLY CAPACITOR PINS AND THE V-CAPS DIRECTLY FROM THE VALVE SOCKET PINS TO THE SOLID SILVER RCA SOCKETS ALL USING THE BEST SOUNDING SILVER SOLDER.[/b]

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INTERNAL WIRING IS DEEP CRYOGENICALLY TREATED SILVER INSULATED WITH PURE SILK AND THE RCA SOCKETS ARE ALL SOLID SILVER.[/b]

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THE ATTENUATOR IS UNUSUAL IT WAS CONCEIVED TO MAXIMISE THE RETRIEVAL OF LOW LEVEL INFORMATION, THE [/b]SIGNAL[/b] [/b]DOES[/b] [/b]NOT[/b] [/b]PASS[/b] THROUGH A HOST OF RESISTORS AND ATTENUATOR SWITCH CONTACTS OR THE WIPER OF A POTENTIOMETER. INSTEAD THE SIGNAL IS FED THROUGH A SINGLE SHINKOH TANTALUM FILM RESISTOR WHICH IS SOLDERED DIRECTLY TO THE VALVE SOCKET PINS AND DIRCTLY TO THE SILVER WIRING.[/b]

To his ears is superior to an original KSL-M7. Of course I wouldn’t have a clue about this, and it means little to me as I am never likely to hear one, let alone afford one, hell I could barely afford the petrol for a return trip to see Kevin at Definitive Audio. The pre has also been closely impedance matched with the power amps in the active speakers.

The KAB modified Technics 1210mk5 is encased in a solid birch plinth and conceals granite and sand, this is coupled to the rack with aerolam and sorbothane to counteract the seismic vibes from the speakers.

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Additional to this the arm has a Zupreme Headshell, Ikeda Soundlabs heashell leads, a custom (heavy) counterweight and a hardwired Cardas din plug for a nice clean output. The cable loom from 1210 – SUT/MC headamp - pre-amp is Townshend Isolda DCT300.

The platter is topped by an SDS Isoplatmat and finally a Herbies way excellent2 tt mat.

The power foundation is facilitated by a dedicated mains spur and a Musicworks Megablock Plus.

 
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Great looking system mate - I'd love to hear how it sounds. As your article was downloading the second picture loaded first - seeing the top half of the speaker I assumed it was a slightly strange-looking Martin Logan. Actually probably not that far off the mark!

Cheers,

/g

 

scoobs

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Cheers guys.

Simplicity was my watchword in putting this system together.

I have always liked the immediacy and 'in the room presence' of active speakers,and these Sony's are just the ticket, they have genuine scale too and exhibit moreauthority and gruntthan 50w might suggest.Knowing that theyare very capable and were harnessing potential,I began wondering what a nice valve pre would coax from them & vice versa. I think I could be on the way to getting the room filling, emotional involving touch of magic that I have been hankering after.

 

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Very interesting, scoobs.

If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for those speakers, and where did you get them? (I'm just being nosy :) )

I've dealt with Gordon Welford myself - he made me a really fine sounding passive pre in a tin box! Harv has tried this and was suitably impressed.GW alsosold mea truly crappy pair of cryo-ed cables!! :D Still, you can't win them all.

 

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Have been very tempted to try Gordon's zero feedback, totally discrete 'rebuild' of the Arcam Alpha 5. Interesting setup BTW :)

 

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JANDL100 wrote:

Very interesting, scoobs.If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for those speakers, and where did you get them? (I'm just being nosy :) )

I've dealt with Gordon Welford myself - he made me a really fine sounding passive pre in a tin box! Harv has tried this and was suitably impressed.GW alsosold mea truly crappy pair of cryo-ed cables!! :D Still, you can't win them all.
Jerry, I bought the speakers, along with the accompanying 4 component separates & a pair of Atacama stands for £250 on eBay. Apparently the previous owner had them in storage for the last 9 years, I'll never know for sure, but they are invery nicecondition. I would like to get them modified at some point in the future, I'm also encouraged to find that a small company in Englandwho canrepair/replace the tweeters should the need arise.

Oddly enough another pair of SA-S1 speakersin poor condition went for just over a ton last week on eBay. I wanted to bag them for spares but I havemaxed my hifi budget to thehilt this month.

I was going to buy a cryoed tonearm cable from Gordon, but decided in favour of a twin set of townshend isolda dct300, that were going for a bargain.

My preamp was made with the 'budget' chassis, had I not been penny pinching I would have gone for the luxury wooden cheeked chassis. :roll: ...maybe I can get himto re-house it for me one day.

Yomanze, theAlpha 5by his account is a killer, I would have no hesitation in recommending him, as an aside have you been tempted by his SME 3009? it's re-built with the dl-103 in mind and would be a great choice for any sl1200, If I hadn't had my technics arm modded I would have taken his arm off for this for £450.

 

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scoobs wrote:

as an aside have you been tempted by his SME 3009? it's built with the dl-103 in mind and would be a great choice for any sl1200
BIG TIME... especially as I can see myself being a long-term DL103 user.

 

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Yomanze wrote:

scoobs wrote:
as an aside have you been tempted by his SME 3009? it's built with the dl-103 in mind and would be a great choice for any sl1200
BIG TIME... especially as I can see myself being a long-term DL103 user.
It's very difficult not to swap cartridges... :zip:

JJ

 

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Interesting comments ...nice system by the way .......

I don't want to seem too picky but ......

its a shame that such obviously fine sounding items need to carry comments like "deep cryogenically treated" whats wrong with just cryogenically treated ?

So we know what cryogenically means ....of or relating to very low temperatures ie below -100 deg c or more

so what does deep reffere to..... the depth of the freezer ?

I've no problem with the cryogenicly treated cables ...though I've not been convinced by the so call sonic changes .....you can usually do that and more by more prosaic means ....ie different insulation or better plugs....imo

"THE POWER SUPPLY CAPACITORS ARE A TYPE JC MORRISON"

I keep reading this I hope it makes sense to others ...did you miss some of the quote ?

I'm also confused by

"hardwired Cardas din plug for a nice clean output"

can a cardas din plugs be wired in any other way ? and as to the clean output .....are other plugs dirty ? .....its the wire that will affect the purety of sound...imo

As the last three I used all required soldering, is there a crimp type or screw type ........ ?

don't know why the font size is all over the place ?

 

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Very, very nice simple system there, I like simple.

the preamp looks interesting, could you PM me with the price details if you do not mind?

i also love the look of those Sony's, I bet they rock!

:)

 

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zanash wrote:

Interesting comments ...nice system by the way .......

I don't want to seem too picky but ......

its a shame that such obviously fine sounding items need to carry comments like "deep cryogenically treated" whats wrong with just cryogenically treated ?

So we know what cryogenically means ....of or relating to very low temperatures ie below -100 deg c or more

so what does deep reffere to..... the depth of the freezer ?

I've no problem with the cryogenicly treated cables ...though I've not been convinced by the so call sonic changes .....you can usually do that and more by more prosaic means ....ie different insulation or better plugs....imo

:DErm, dunno, can’t answer that one – you got me there. But I imagine the average punter takes little notice of the two descriptions tbh.

"THE POWER SUPPLY CAPACITORS ARE A TYPE JC MORRISON"

I keep reading this I hope it makes sense to others ...did you miss some of the quote ?

I lifted this from his eBay description of a similar pre amp, I can’t be any more specific on this.

I'm also confused by

"hardwired Cardas din plug for a nice clean output"

can a cardas din plugs be wired in any other way ? and as to the clean output .....are other plugs dirty ? .....its the wire that will affect the purety of sound...imo

As the last three I used all required soldering, is there a crimp type or screw type ........ ?

My modified Technics arm has the wand wire connected directly to a DIN plug, rather than the alternative method of using an additional section of tonearm cable to connect to a filter leading to an external RCA box. My use of the word hard wired reflects my technical numptitude.

Again my use of the term clean output, is perhaps a bit silly, but in my mind it reflected the fact that I have reduced the number of breaks/junctions in the loom, as there are quite a few with this detachable headshell rig and so making it IMO cleaner,I guess it'sscoobs' fuzzy logic. :p

Yes, standmounts would be preferable, and are on the cards soon, although the wooden benches are spiked to the concrete floor.

All I need now is to sort my hum problem out, I’m struggling with a modified Townshend tonearm cable that appears not to bedrainingearth properly, I’m not sure yet so I’m trying to eliminate the cable as the cause of a hum problem before it goes back to Max for a re-fit. :(

 

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Hi all

if anyone has contact details for Gordon Welford can they PM please - interested in if he will service a meridian 100 series for me

Many thanks

Ian

 

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Nice. I am convinced that (sensibly-financially advantageously having jumped off e.g. Linn escalator)alternative nice equipment can enjoyably be used instead.

How many people in reality 'upgrade' the living people/animals in their lives the way hifi purchasers etc are conned into succumbing to change fine stuff ... (rhetorical - no figures please).

I prefer beer to champagne as for me it is better/cheaper (usually).

Champagne usually is overpriced fizzy nasty clear-ish wine.

 

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Excellent. The fun is in getting stuff that is off the beaten track at prices and sound quality that makes a mockery of the flatulent Hi-Fi £££££££OUCH

 

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scoobs wrote:

My new Pre-amp is an integrated valve MM phono & line stage with separate PSU and is based on the Kondo KSL-M7.
Really? In what sense?

To his ears is superior to an original KSL-M7.
Oddly enough...

Of course I wouldn’t have a clue about this, and it means little to me as I am never likely to hear one, let alone afford one, hell I could barely afford the petrol for a return trip to see Kevin at Definitive Audio.
Fair enough.

Not trying to be a smartarse, just curious. I don't think there's anything particularly 'mystical' about any of the Kondo circuitry as such. On paper. In reality my understanding is that making it actually *sound* like a genuine Kondo, particularly one of the KSL generation may be a rather different matter, regardless of whether the circuit diagrams are in the public domain.

I don't know enough to be able to look at your pics and say anything particularly insightful, merely that it doesn't *look* like any KSL M7 I've seen. The older, pre-KSL (ie. Audio Note Japan) versions may be a different kettle of sashimi.

http://www.audionote.com.sg/products/preamp/kondo/m7.htm

I dare say it sounds pretty good though.

 

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