Chord MScaler bench test at ASR, what went wrong?

[Miller-8]

I don't trust this guy. I have my reasons. Cause I asked a very specific question under the comment section of this video, pertaining to why not doing a listening test with the analogue output of the Chord Dave DAC, (XLR/RCA)and he referred me to the headphone listening test he did.

Well be believes that the line out will sound the same as any other DAC that tests properly so he listened with headphones as that adds another element and he found it wanting in that department.

 

[Nativebon]

Well be believes that the line out will sound the same as any other DAC that tests properly so he listened with headphones as that adds another element and he found it wanting in that department.

'Well be believes' I think you mean he believes, but I don't... Cause so many products have very good analogue output but weak headphone amp sections. I'll please my self on this occasion.

 

[Miller-8]

'Well be believes' I think you mean he believes, but I don't... Cause so many products have very good analogue output but weak headphone amp sections. I'll please my self on this occasion.

Sure, but you know he believes that so why would you ask him to do the listening test with the line out?

 

[Nativebon]

Sure, but you know he believes that so why would you ask him to do the listening test with the line out?

You said so not him.

 

[Miller-8]

You said so not him.

It's common knowledge.

 

[Fourlegs]

Well it's supposed to be 240V

That was in the good old days when the idea of an EU state was only a twinkle in a few peoples eyes. I still think of uk voltage as being 240V because that is mostly what it is and before voltages were able to self identify as being 230V. The fact that my voltage is often 253V but still self identifies as 230V is a side effect of the world we live in. Anyway, it all tastes the same if one licks it with a moist tongue so who am I to say what is right.

 

[TheFlash]

Guys Amir has ripped the DAVE a new one here:

So why would you post a thread to a completely different discussion (ok, a different device but the same discussion, I’ll wager!) here?

Start a new thread about the DAVE, rather than burying it under a thread with M Scaler in the title. Then we can all pile in with fresh new thoughts on Chord products and/or the joy of ASR.

Or perhaps not.

 

[StingRay]

Nonsense. Nowadays our voltage is 230V same as EU.

Its not actually!

 

[newlash09]

627 posts and 32 pages that I've haven't bothered to read. Can someone put an end to this misery please.

 

[DomT]

Guys Amir has ripped the DAVE a new one here:

I have never listened to one of his reviews and started with an open mind. He starts the review with a laughing talking style which really put me off. I listened up to the part where he said world class DAC and amps available for £400-500 and then realised that he doesn’t know what he is talking about.

 

[Fourlegs]

I have never listened to one of his reviews and started with an open mind. He starts the review with a laughing talking style which really put me off. I listened up to the part where he said world class DAC and amps available for £400-500 and then realised that he doesn’t know what he is talking about.

Yeah, he adopts that chrortling style of presenation when he can hardly contain his excitement at being able to rubbish a product that he has already decided is snake oil or other some such. It is very off putting and gives the game away about his agendas that he is basically setting out to prove.

 

[Miller-8]

I have never listened to one of his reviews and started with an open mind. He starts the review with a laughing talking style which really put me off. I listened up to the part where he said world class DAC and amps available for £400-500 and then realised that he doesn’t know what he is talking about.

He does. What he means by that is that they measure world class

 

[DomT]

He does. What he means by that is that they measure world class

There is no definition for ‘world class’ measurements. It’s all just opinion.

 

[Miller-8]

There is no definition for ‘world class’ measurements. It’s all just opinion.

Well technically there is as he's measured loads of products over the years.

 

[DomT]

Well technically there is as he's measured loads of products over the years.

He does not define what world class means. Also he said world class amplifier and not world class measurements. It’s not possible to buy a world class amp for £400.

 

[Miller-8]

He does not define what world class means. Also he said world class amplifier and not world class measurements. It’s not possible to buy a world class amp for £400.

He's perfectly entitled to define what world class means when it comes to his measurements. That's obviously what he means.

 

[DomT]

He's perfectly entitled to define what world class means when it comes to his measurements. That's obviously what he means.

So it’s his subjective opinion but again he said world class amp and not world class measurements. There are plenty of people would would disagree with his statement and particularly consumers who buy far more expensive products. Maybe these consumers really don’t know what they are doing - this seems to your opinion.

 

[lazycat]

627 posts and 32 pages that I've haven't bothered to read. Can someone put an end to this misery please.

The other thread was dropped PDQ. May be this should be too. I'd rather read about CBD Gummi bears...

 

[Miller-8]

So it’s his subjective opinion but again he said world class amp and not world class measurements. There are plenty of people would would disagree with his statement and particularly consumers who buy far more expensive products. Maybe these consumers really don’t know what they are doing - this seems to your opinion.

It's not really subjective - what else should he measure? The DAVE did not measure that impressively.

 

[Shadders]

There are plenty of people would would disagree with his statement and particularly consumers who buy far more expensive products. Maybe these consumers really don’t know what they are doing - this seems to your opinion.

Hi,
What you have said epitomises hifi, in that people believe that the more money they spend, then the better the equipment. There is a lot of pretentiousness and snobbishness in the hifi community, where underlying in a lot of discussion is bragging rights based on the equipment they own because it is expensive.

Why can't a DAC or amplifier be world class for £400 to £500 ?

Regards,
Shadders.